ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [Jamgis]
Wednesday, October 31, 2007 09:20
See,this is not necessarily about the power or the mandate that the president wields,but its all about acting in a manner that portrays fairness.
If by acting the way he acted will portray him as a dictator from many of the kenyan elites,this could be detrimental considering Jamaa's like Michuki,Nyachae just to mention but a few are seen to be very rigid and with colonial mentality.
I think MK is making one bladder after another and this might cost him the seat of power. He should relax and try to be more accomodative.
jmg
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [oblongblong]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 18:18
Should President Kibaki have consulted?
Did he go against the spirit of the IPPG talks?
Did the IPPG talks result in a tangible written down agreement/law or were they merely a gentleman's agreement?(sounds like an oxymoron-calling politicians gentlemen?-I digress?)
Anyway. The IPPG talks were politically instigated to set the tone for minimum constitutional reforms that the opposition parties and civil society felt were necessary before the elections. As a result,to forestall such a move being hijacked by the civil society,particularly the NCEC,KANU convened the IPPG talks. They resulted mainly in three things. The passing of the Constitution of Kenya (Amendment) Bill,Statute
Law (Repeals and Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill. These bills seemed to respond to demands for minimum reforms
before elections and,together with a third bill (the Constitution of Kenya Review Commission Bill,1997),came to be referred to as the IPPG package. There was no talk of political parties jointly discussing ECK commissioners with the President. However,AFTER the talks they did propose names to the President for consideration to the ECK appointment. SOME of those recommended were appointed. But,the talks were never about the ECK and no gentleman's agreement was made that future appointments would be through negotiation between parties.All resolutions passed by the IPPG were reduced into writing and proposed as bills to parliament.
Secondly,since 1997 both Presidents Moi and Kibaki have made appointments to the ECK. Commissioners have retired and /or passed on and their replacements made.No-one cried foul until early this year. why now? It makes good politics to scream for whatever reason in an election year no matter how silent you were previously on a similar issue.
Three: Should Kibaki have at least consulted the other two(well-three) presidential candidates? Maybe,if all they wanted was to have their egos stroked especially since they are so democratic themselves. I mean,considering they were sooooo democratic,they recently awarded themselves direct parliamentary nominations for their MP seats. Oh,by the way,who was consulted at the 'appointment' of the sixth member to the pentagon?
Do you want Mr. Jones to come back?
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [oblongblong]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 17:59
Do you want Mr. Jones to come back?
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [cindano]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 17:20
Funny way of looking at DEMOCRACY!!!!
Consult or else!!!
Kila kitu kiasi...kazi...kula...kucheza...kunywa...hata ujinga
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Wolf dance.... [Njung'e]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 17:12
That would be asking MK to do a wolf dance???That's okay again...but kindly reserve this for a wife and husband....this is politics and you have to soil yourself in order to get it......and i like your gentlemans' mien..( Or isn't it??) ...but between me and you we know you cannot legistrate behaviour...you can only regulate it....
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [Jamgis]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:59
Ok,we know that these MPs never agrees on anything,especially when it comes to sharing,thats why the EAC appintments were a mess. However,its good to try and please other than acting as if no one else exists. Thats what Emilio did and it does not come out very well.
Sometimes bedding abit is important and can give a different reflection.
jmg
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [cindano]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:58
Njung'e*,
there was a reason we have ignored instinct....
Kila kitu kiasi...kazi...kula...kucheza...kunywa...hata ujinga
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Wrong ( Lie...???) [Njung'e]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:56
@Instinct,
I hope you are not lying deliberately with the intention of distorting facts.The president appoints commissioners and they in turn, appoint a chair and his vice from amongst themselves.... ....You owe members an apology....
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [cindano]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:52
And due to the very nature of the PUBLIC mandate of managing the ELECTIONS...
it would be totally unwise to include interested parties....
in this spirit... due to the individual oath by the President to the sovereignty and good will of the Kenyans who elected him or not...
it is up to his discretion...
to choose Commissioners who.... to his estimation... will work for the benefit of the country...
and not of an INDIVIDUAL....
Kila kitu kiasi...kazi...kula...kucheza...kunywa...hata ujinga
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [mtaalam]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:41
Let's be correct here,what we normal humans call consultation in the actual world is very different when it comes to politics. All that would have happened is sharing out of positions that will create a mess. If these idiots could not agree on the constitution after so many months,what makes you think they'll agree on the sharing? Will the commissioners who have other interests even be able to work together?
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [cindano]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:38
The point that is being made is that....
when the rest of the country wants to make a decision...
they have to be consulted...
but...
when its their choice...
do they need to consult???
WHO ARE YOU TO BE CONSULTED???
Kila kitu kiasi...kazi...kula...kucheza...kunywa...hata ujinga
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why consult [shumakubwa]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:33
did raila consult other pentagon members while appointing ngilu to hexa oooh sory pentagon. he is allowed under the current constitution not to consult. and do the appointment solely.
sk
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [cindano]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:30
"current sitting" MPs?
Kila kitu kiasi...kazi...kula...kucheza...kunywa...hata ujinga
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [Ken K]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:22
Why should Kibaki consult? Who should he consult? Non-parliamentarians or Kenyans?
If your answer is "current sitting MP's" then I agree with you.
He is fully within the law.
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [instinct]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 16:01
@jaribu
i dont choose to see tribalism everywhere,usually a tribalistic act have certain x-stics that make it look like one. This is a classic one. anyway,pple's concern is not a kikuyu dominated ECK,but a PNU one. i want to predict that kibaki will appoint kihara the chairman.
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [Njung'e]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 15:17
Jamgis,
At this point we cannot assume that the president did not consult.He might have and decided to keep it secret or maybe he didn't consult the people you have in mind in which case it would still be okay coz there are 36 Million Kenyans whom he has a right to consult.Secondly,he swore to protect the constitution as an individual not collectively......
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [Njung'e]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 15:16
Jamgis,
At this point we cannot assume that the president did not consult.He might have and decided to keep it secret or maybe he didn't consult the people you have in mind in which case it would still be okay coz there are 36 Million Kenyans whom he has a right to consult.Secondly,he swore to protect the constitution as an individual not collectively......
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [Mocassin]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 15:00
Is it legal for the President to have done so? Had the opposition displayed a spirit fostering consultations? Didn't these opposition (ex) MPs have a chance to have their issue legally entrenched?
To come and complain now is to say the least hypocritical. Save us the time.
No wind favors he who has no destined port.
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [kassano]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 14:54
Its sad that the term of the ECK Commissioners have to end just before the elections,and they can ONLY be renewed for a period of 5 years,as per the current constitution.
Kibaki is just following the constitution,the IPPG thingy was just a discussion,nothing was signed between the political parties,and well a majority of the parties at the time,are not in existence right now...
Truth be told we are still going to be in the same situation in 2012,if our constitution is not changed or ammended...
Life is not a problem to solve,but an adventure to pursue...
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ECK commissioners- Is Kibaki a dictator? [cindano]
Tuesday, October 30, 2007 14:53
these theatrics must come to a close....
you play hard ball for three years....
and you expect consultations....
one does not need to be a Prof in politics to see that that will never happen....
COMMON SENSE.....
ama in certain situations.... it isnt???
Kila kitu kiasi...kazi...kula...kucheza...kunywa...hata ujinga
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